Sulevay, good hearing from you.

I’m not speaking about defying gravity or adhering to ascetic practices. As far as what we are aiming for – every person has to determine that for themselves. I’m really not referring to anything far removed, as it appears to me that things most deeply hidden from our awareness are those closest to us. I am also not referring to emotions, which are compensations so-to-speak, aspects of our personalities employed for our survival in one form or another. How we perceive and characterize emotions is personalized and defined by our experiences and our uniquely individual genetic makeups. Similarities fall into more-or-less distinctive groupings that enable us to attach words and communicate our findings to others – at least in a very generalized sense, which of course, and I’d assume you’d agree, are not all that accurate.

Nobody resides in any state permanently. To associate permanence with a particular state is wishful thinking, fantasy or denial.

You can tell someone how far out a roller coaster ride felt, but you can’t transfer to them your direct experience. This is what I’m referring to with respect to the topic we are discussing. We can beat around the bush by theorizing and debating as to whether free will exists or not. We can go one step further by assuming that if it was not possible – how you might go about getting a direct experience of that. Or, simply, you can pop out of the fog bank of philosophical mumbo jumbo and just do it.

When you present an idea that negates free will, people generally (and I’m not referring to you personally) have answers constructed before you’ve even finished your statement. What you are attempting to convey will generally bounce off of them like water off a duck’s back.

Yes, "we are that." I heard Muktananda say this many years ago, though I now have a better understanding of what I think he was attempting to convey – I certainly didn’t at the time. The concept of ‘I am that’ is a valuable one, yet for the sake of our discussion, a little out of focus; maybe you could turn the focus-wheel and sharpen the image and take it one step further – no defying laws, no developing states, no ascetic practices, no floating above appearances, just the perception of:

‘Whatever you consider to be yourself’ is moving through time without the possibility of any intervention on your part having any effect whatsoever.

It’s really very simple. 'Whatever you ascertain as yourself' unfolds moment after moment; this includes every thought, emotion, movement and perception thereof from within and without. Sense the process as best you can while realizing that you’re just along for the ride.

Give it a try. "...get what?" You’ll have to answer this for yourself.

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