religion

topic posted Mon, November 10, 2003 - 8:01 PM by  mike
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I'm so sick of "holidays". Does the tiger in the jungle stop and say, oh, shit, I must celebrate today because it is a "holiday"? No, only humans are so foolish. I wish the world would move toward a place in which there were no holidays, no judgments of gender, or skin color, or sexuality, or what type of clothing you wear (clothing discrimination exists!), etc. Sorry, that's my venting for today.
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mike
Texas
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  • Re: religion

    Tue, November 11, 2003 - 7:43 AM
    tigers don't do lots of stuff we humans do for better or for worse. holidays aren't all religious...and even religious holidays can be celebrated in a purely heathen fashion...that's how i do it. why do you hate holidays anyway? are you a workaholic? :)
  • Re: religion

    Tue, November 11, 2003 - 9:29 AM
    I'm with Tuki... once you strip all the judeo-christian crap off the holidays, they're a bunch of heathen/pagan excuses to take a day off and party.

    what's so bad about that it's worth lumping in with racism, sexism and heterosexism??!
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      Re: religion

      Tue, November 11, 2003 - 11:46 AM
      While I agree that holidays are not on the same level of evil as racism, they are a contributor to the "othering" that western culture does so well. It is complicated for sure but over time could groups move away from the religious back drop and move to a more humanistic national holiday, like a day off every week just to celebrate every day that we aren't at war with someone, fun and motivational.
      • Re: religion

        Tue, November 11, 2003 - 11:54 AM
        can't say I agree, joe. holidays are part of *every* culture.

        and *if* you ignore the specific christian content and get back to the root pagan holiday, they are largely the same as celebrated by 'primitive' cultures world-wide. quite the opposite of othering, very inclusive...
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          Re: religion

          Tue, November 11, 2003 - 12:23 PM
          I was all for holidays, as I said at least one a week, but you can't have something called Thanksgiving without offending the American Indians and you can't have Christmas and Easter as a national holiday if you have the separation of church and state. Perhaps you can go back to pagan holidays but moving forward is always more appealing than going back. If you really look at them the good old days weren't that great for most.
          • Re: religion

            Tue, November 11, 2003 - 2:15 PM
            i'm part american indian and yet not offended by thanksgiving...i guess mostly because i don't celebrate it as new-world-conquest-let's-kick-out-the-indigenous-people day, but as a day to get many loved ones together and "give thanks" to be alive, happy, well-fed, and loved. if you don't buy the pilgrim decorations from hallmark it's pretty easy to modernize your celebration...tailor it to your needs. and please...i am a raving atheist and i celebrate x-mas with gusto! a MONTH a fancy decorations, scandalous goodies, mood music, good cheer, and, once again, reuniting family and friends...how can you see the bad side of that? it's too much work! other cultures can have their days too and i hope i get invited! i agree with the going forward idea...nobody alive today knows enough about paganism to celebrate the holidays in their original form...it wouldn't even be relevant. take the gift of revelry and revel in it...however you see fit!
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              Re: religion

              Tue, November 11, 2003 - 2:49 PM
              I respect your position although I find it a bit curious, maybe I'm just too upset about recent events. Heck maybe we should bring back those mistral shows, they were a great time.
              • Re: religion

                Tue, November 11, 2003 - 2:59 PM
                which events are you refering to? world or personal? MINSTRAL SHOWS??!! what do those have to do with holidays and celebration? i'm not suggesting a new edition of the spanish inquistion silly.
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                  Re: religion

                  Tue, November 11, 2003 - 3:07 PM
                  A bit of both, a close relative is heading to the middle east leaving his wife and three children behind.

                  The point that I'm trying to make, very poorly evidently is that customs carry a meaning, the meaning is inherent in the celebration creating an acceptance of the status quo instead of the establishment of more inclusive celebrations on the national level. What seems innocent can carry a very different meaning.

                  Sorry if I sound like a scrooge, I like to party, have a good time and laugh but these times are making it harder and harder to do that.

                  Peace, Joe
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                    Re: religion

                    Tue, November 11, 2003 - 3:13 PM
                    Create new celebrations and gatherings!
                    • Re: religion

                      Thu, November 13, 2003 - 11:59 AM
                      WOW !!!
                      i'm 1 day new to tribe.net and just found Apatheists.
                      this whole 'holiday' thing is just too coincidental.
                      for the last couple years i've been upset with all the holidays that exist, in what i think is out of context to humanity, and more in context with religions or specific countries.
                      so over time my friend and i have been 'wondering' what would we do if we could decide what holidays to have (cuz i think it's still fun to celebrate things and reinforce certain ideas or concepts relevant to humanity).

                      so this is what he came up with last month for a zine he was writing. he wants to create a storyline which will include a new holiday structure for the year.

                      you can go here to read it.
                      www.room101.net/acentipede...s/index.htm

                      let me know what you think.
                      :)
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                    Re: religion

                    Tue, November 11, 2003 - 8:48 PM
                    i am sad for you and your family...a father of 4 has no business in the middle east (i'm assuming it's a war-related trip). there are plenty of nasty, old, war-mongering men to go off and do their own dirty work!
                    i agree that some things that seem innocent can carry a different meaning...sometimes a very negative meaning. don't even get me started on my anti-st. patrick's day tirade!! that is an evil day...both in it's original meaning and it's stupid current celebration. i just believe that thanksgiving and x-mas have evolved into more personal, fun, celebrations and moved away from the religious and race obliterating days of yore. and i know you encourage evolution of holidays...maybe being in the east village and having only heathen friends i'm sheltered from the realities of the rest of america...i don't know.
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                      Re: religion

                      Wed, November 12, 2003 - 9:56 AM
                      You aare fortunate to have like minded friends around....and so am I. Yesterday was a bad day, the news just drained every bit of humor from me. At the end of the day a former co-worker that had to take early retirement due to MS and his wife of 24 informed me that they were going to have a son, with no special circumstances (medically I mean) they now have new purpose.
                      So I will be celebrating Thankgiving Day with them and my history mind will go into the closet for that day and we will eat, laugh and celebrate the strange journey called life.
      • Re: religion

        Wed, November 12, 2003 - 2:45 PM
        I like the day off of work for no war holiday. Think how much harder it would be for the government to pointlessly invade small countries if it meant the entire population would have to work Saturdays.
  • Re: religion

    Tue, November 11, 2003 - 2:32 PM
    If it weren't for holidays, we'd miss out on such wonderful traditions as trick-or-treating on Dec. 25th!
  • Re: religion

    Thu, November 13, 2003 - 6:52 AM
    Tigers also don't write symphonies or code really cool video games. They do eat obnoxious illusionists, though. Yay, tigers!

    Holidays don't bug me at all, really - it's a day I get paid to do what I normally do on a day off. If I have to work, I get reg pay + time-and-a-half.

    Religious links to holidays are becoming increasingly tenuous, and I don't mind taking a day off to celebrate someone else's religion, because it's basically a free day for me.

    Granted, I tend to be more laid back about that than most. YMMV.
    • Re: religion

      Fri, November 14, 2003 - 2:29 PM
      HOORAY for Adam! you are just the right amount of laid back.
      • Re: religion

        Sat, November 15, 2003 - 5:24 AM
        Well, shucks! I just like some slack time, me. Holidays am slack time.

        And how can Thanksgiving be bad, when you've got roast turkey, and homemade pies, and sweet 'tater casserole, and turkey leftovers... *drool*

        (Nothing on this earth beats the taste of a "leftover turkey and cornbread dressing sammich with cranberry sauce and spicy mustard" .

        Well, a few things, but nothing in the realm of midnight snacks comes even close.

        Why, yes, Gluttony is my favorite of the seven deadly sins. Why do you ask?
    • Re: religion

      Sat, November 15, 2003 - 12:38 AM
      Amen to that ;)
      you get the day off and no one says you have to actually celebrate the holiday
  • Re: religion

    Thu, November 13, 2003 - 12:01 PM
    WOW !!!
    i'm 1 day new to tribe.net and just found Apatheists.
    this whole 'holiday' thing is just too coincidental.
    for the last couple years i've been upset with all the holidays that exist, in what i think is out of context to humanity, and more in context with religions or specific countries.
    so over time my friend and i have been 'wondering' what would we do if we could decide what holidays to have (cuz i think it's still fun to celebrate things and reinforce certain ideas or concepts relevant to humanity).

    so this is what he came up with last month for a zine he was writing. he wants to create a storyline which will include a new holiday structure for the year.

    you can go here to read it.
    www.room101.net/acentipede...s/index.htm

    let me know what you think.
    :)

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