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well, I went ahead and saw PASSION OF THE CHRIST, which was strangely pathetic for an apathetic apatheist to do, perhaps it was because I used to be a pathetic theist, who knows?
I kind of expected to have some kind of a visceral reaction since several years' synaptic connections were strongly conditioned between Christ and emotion. But, alas, I can say that my intellectual belief that the whole story of the Christ being a fiction really did prevent my mind from automatically causing me to cry, etc.
It was a test and I don't know if I passed, but whether I did or did not is not the point. Sure, one might ask why one would take a test knowing there was no point in its being passed or failed, but that's the crazy mixed up world in which we live.
Anyone else see it?
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Re: Apathy of the Christ
Sat, March 6, 2004 - 7:51 PMI havent seen it and I wont. Actually, kudos to you for going.
I am rather non-apathetic in my hate of this movie. I find it inconvenient in a time when I wish my Hand of God President is trying to be re-elected. I hope he chokes on his own sperm.
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Re: Apathy of the Christ
Tue, March 30, 2004 - 9:34 PMI absolutely refuse to give into the peer pressure and, in fact, have been having a dealing with all the annoying conversation and media buzz generated by something I couldn't care less about. That being said, the movie has inadvertently annoyed me by causing people to insist on talking about it to me.
What on earth is wrong with people that they get so worked up over something they can't even be bothered to see on their own? And if one more person mentions Mel Gibson's father to me…
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Re: Apathy of the Christ
Wed, April 21, 2004 - 6:02 AMHaven't seen it, but have been pressured by assorted well meaning "believers" to do so... usually with the overcooked enthusiasm of someone fresh out of a Landmark or MLM meeting.
I *profoundly* don't care. I don't even basic curiosity to examine just WHAT could possibly drive a $300+ mill box office take. I have had a bit of feedback from people whose opinions I (somewhat) respect.... dominant in that area is the fact that the the film portrays Christ as something akin to a pathological Narcissist, and how evident it apparently seems that the whole circus is one big Mel Gibson ego-trip. -
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Re: Apathy of the Christ
Wed, April 21, 2004 - 8:40 PMI haven't seen the film, but it really wouldn't be the first movie that every lemming with a $10 in their pocket rushed out to see that I simply wouldn't like.
So, if I might be so bold as to nudge this conversation away from film criticism, how many of you think that Jesus either did exist or might have existed and that his story has been reified and contorted, how many of you think he never existed and his story is a fabrication, and since I'm guessing this will be a majority view, how many don't really care?
Like it or not, religion is a powerful force in our world. I'd be in favor of a world that was not run by a bunch of religious zealots and their dull witted followers, but I'm also intrigued by where religion came from. Was there some memetic evolution process leading up to what we see today? Was there a real person who became the zygote for that process? -
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Re: Apathy of the Christ
Sat, April 24, 2004 - 11:58 PM
I think that a good analysis of the evidence can lead to an honest doubt of the existence of a Jesus of Nazareth, at least as he is described in the Gospels.
Paul's epistles--written first--do not describe a person as much as an idea, a savior god named Jesus the Christ, and this is clearly a synthesis of Jewish and pagan ideas, mixed with historical realities such as crucifixion.
I cannot be sure that a Jesus didn't exist, a man who started the linkage between the name Jesus and the incipient ideas that eventually became Pauline doctrine, but I really do doubt it. I think that Paul's constant references to the (LXX version of the) Old Testament as all the proof needed for the message of Jesus show that Paul considered himself to be passing on knowledge that was revealed to him by the spirit of God through exegesis and insight more than by an appeal to historical circumstance.
But, all things considered, I am not sure that it makes much difference whether a Jesus did exist at some point, because his message has been lost and replaced by that of others. Some parts may be true to his legacy (if he existed), but given the nature of religious literature, we just will not likely ever know.
I will bet my house on their not being much truth in Jesus's having moved to the south of France with Mary Magdalene. :)
-tb
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Re: Apathy of the Christ
Thu, April 29, 2004 - 10:46 AMactually, Peter, I wrote a paper in college diagnosing the biblical Jesus using the DSM-III (then current)...
I concluded he fit both Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Schizoaffective Disorder (Not Otherwise Specified).
I got an A, despite my TA being a theist. :)
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Re: Apathy of the Christ
Mon, April 26, 2004 - 12:28 PMI'm feeling a passion for Euphoria's underwear. I still have no interest in this movie. -
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Re: Apathy of the Christ
Thu, April 29, 2004 - 10:46 AMmethinks Jake needs a night on the town. ;)
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