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Betty Bowers Destroys Ann Coulter

Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:56:11 GMT

"Ann Coulter is either a very devious liberal performance artist or she is mentally ill. There is no middle ground"

Complete article www.bettybowers.com/coulter.html

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a prophet's funeral AND a superbowl game all in one weekend?

mel!nda — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:11:55 GMT

i simply could not be more apethetic!

i reside in salt lake city, utah where thousands of members of the LDS met today to go to president Gordon B. Hinckley's funeral.
don't get me wrong, i DO believe that this was a compassionate man who tried to live a godly life. regardless of the ego-centric energy that oozes from proclaiming to be "the one true church", he was truly an example of tolerance and kindness.
that said, why should the passing of a prophet of god be such an INSANELY big deal- he's only returning to finally speak to god face-to-face, instead of the prayer-phone he used while here on earth (they say the prophet communes directly with god...they say lots of things...)
this has been front-page news for a full six days now & the coverage is beginning to be nauseating to me (a third ex-mormon, third present unitarian & third apatheist) check it out and let me know if not caring would be tough to do in slc.

oh, and as for the superbowl goes... i REALLY could care absolutely no less than i already do (sorry pat.'s fans!)

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finding my religion

sulevay — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:11:19 GMT

apatheist - i love that! where the hell is everybody?

however, true to form, i'd argue against any certainty that we each decide how to handle a given situation. free will? really?

what about our programming and conditioning and habits of mind and genetics and plain old stubborn behavior patterns? do we really believe those things are optional, just like that?

and....do we care?

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See the best of Spain

Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:55:43 GMT

Know more about Spain and feel the beauty of it to this site. Go to http://www.tour-spain.blogspot.com now.

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The Worst Religion

Erik — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:08:34 GMT

Please go to the Secular Humanism tribe for this.

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The Big Bang Debunked--if you care or don't or want more to care less about

Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:49:57 GMT

I always was suspicious of the Big Bang when it was mentioned in my presence. It just seemed like a scientific serrogate for god. It all fit together too nicely and I'm much more comfortable with uncertaintity with no central focal point.

Recently I stumbled onto a whole different approach to the cosmos--one in which there is no beginning or end and all of that nonsense.

If you've got time to kill:
http://www.holoscience.com/synopsis.php

Enjoy.

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not atheist, not agnostic.. still belong here?

Rayburn — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:36:38 GMT

just trying to get an accurate idea of the purpose of this tribe.

see, I'm not atheist, nor am I agnostic. I have belief, and I have faith.

I just don't care to give it a freaking name or join a freaking club.

and I've really had it up to HERE with all religions, because religions are just a way for people to join clubs and get in arguments over bullshit. arguments that often lead to someone getting killed...

and furthermore religion defines nothing. everyone has a sleightly different belief, no matter how accurately they try to follow a specific creed. in my opinion, there are as many definitions of 'god' or the universe or the nature of life and reality and what-not as there are people on this planet.

so I just want to be clear. is this a Tribe for people who have no belief or faith of any kind? or is it just a place for people who are sick to death of religions, like me?

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greetings

pip — Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:48:50 GMT

this is so comforting to find. somwhere i can blend my witchiness and my general sense of who cares. it's so neat!
there may be gods, they may be like some say, they may not, i'm not bothered really......
i like my vague sense of divinity is kinda around but i'm not wanting to go seek it out.
it'll take me forever to figure out my own truths, never mind those of the rest of humanity and higher beings.
many may and will argue i can't be a witch and not give much of a toss.......but again, can't say i care a rats ass. some shit works for me and that's all good.
as long as i can tell the difference between wanting to not feel alone and knowing what i am making up to do that, and what i know is solid and real and of consequence to me, i am good at that.
so thank you all for this happy place. i feel conected by the need not to know....if that makes sense.
chi. xxx

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origin of "apatheist"

Sator — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:03:34 GMT

Hi y'all,

I just joined this tribe. While the single tenet at the heart of "apatheism" is a (non)belief I have long espoused, I have never seen this term before.

What is its source? Who coined it? I have to admit my knowledge of Greek is minimal. How is the prefix apa- different from the more common apo- in this usage?

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breaking the rules.

Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:39:26 GMT

by posting here and not being COMPLETELY apathetic. hah haha ha haha and there's nothing you can do about it! Bwaaaahahahahahaa!

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Rael comes to Urantia

david-tribe — Tue, 07 Dec 2004 21:55:48 GMT

Can you post without caring?
Can you respond without caring?
Is the sub-world being divided between burning-man lovers and haters?
Are the Urantians or the Raelians correct?

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How is Apatheism different from secular humanism?

captainstorm — Fri, 06 May 2005 20:28:43 GMT

Practically speaking a secular humanist lives in much the same way philisophically, IE religion doesnt really matter day to day. Maybe Apatheism is just a subset of secular humanism just as secular humanists can be athiest or agnostic? I dont know.

It would seem the goal/spirit of the idealogy is similar:

Stick to practical human solutions to problems and treat supernatural stuff with either complete indifference or a high degree of skeptisism.

Storm

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can religion survive hi-fidelity communication?

kage — Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:34:43 GMT

in a not very apatheistic way, i was wondering why god hasn't revealed himself to an old guy on a mountain top recently, and wondering whether, if the situation has not changed in 10,000 years, ministers will say, "12,000 years ago god revealed himself to an old guy on a mountain, but he's been laying pretty low ever since."

i'm now thinking the only reason the story of moses became such a big deal is because, you know, he had whatever experience, then got on his camel and rode for like 6 weeks to some town and relayed that experience to people, and then some guy got on his camel and rode for 3 months to whatever village and told his version, and so on, creating legends in the way that legends have always been created - through the 'telephone' effect, that is, low-fidelity transmission with no error checking (and the human tendency to improvise during storytelling for greater effect).

these days, there are always a bunch of high-fidelity records of anything you do - where you were, what you said - and whenever that information gets passed around, it usually happens verbatim (in a newspaper, over an email, over video), and so it cannot accumulate the kind of distortion that happens in the telephone game.

does this mean the end of new (theistic, revealed) religions? does this mean that the theists have seen the last of god?

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my church

RAB — Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:01:42 GMT

When I was just a little tyke, I was very troubled at the idea that religions and churches could have tax exempt status. I imagined that someone in Washington must have the job of deciding which religions were correct enough -- or at least, not wrong enough -- to deserve treatment as "real" religions and which ones were left out. And you know, more than thirty years later, that still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

At the time, the problem seemed all the more immediate because in our small town, the block we lived on had no less than three freaking enormous churches on it...and my family belonged to none of them. For what it's worth, I'll add that of all the faiths represented in town, only the Catholic priests could not have been any nicer to us -- the only Jewish family in town -- and to this day I still object vocally to any anti-Catholic bigotry because of their kindness and respect. But I digress.

As an atheist/agnostic/apatheist, I've had a longtime fantasy that we need a real "church" of nonbelievers, if only to balance the playing field in terms of legal rights, real estate taxes, and other assets. The "conscientious objector" is probably the most discriminated-against subgroup in America and it's just not right that we have to pay extra for the privilege.

Acceptance as a "religion" by the general public seems to call for certain trappings and material holdings such as church buildings, symbols, and other aspects of modern PR. It's really little different than creating a "brand identity" for a product: "I use Protestantism because it gets my soul whiter!" My fantasy "atheist church" could have Christopher Reeve as a "saint" and the books of Richard Dawkins and Carl Sagan and Bertrand Russell as "holy texts." We could have weekly "services" with discussions of Darwinism. And we'd encourage schisms so that people would leave and form their own reactionary splinter groups, thereby spreading the tax-exempt wealth ever further.

If you don't like this idea...what would you do instead? What would your "church" of disbelief be like?

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In Vitro Fertilization

To_Hume_It — Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:02:14 GMT

Does anyone else agree that the Pope has absolutely no right speaking about how much of a violation in vitro fertilization is, especially considering what he said (see below) and his never having had sex?

"The act during which a married couple become father and mother through a mutual act of giving brings them close to the creator, by bringing into the world a new human being. Such an act cannot be replaced by technological intervention."

Perhaps the Catholic church ought not to make any comment on anything sexual for quite a while. Just a thought.

-tb

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Out of curiousity

pooppickles — Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:10:08 GMT

I was having a discussion with someone the other day about the differences between "knowing something" and "believing something". This guy I was talking to said that he doesn't "know" that there is a god, but that he "believes" there is. Does this sound like as much of a contradiction to you all as it did to me?
Here's my point: EVERYTHING you've been taught, observed, experienced since you were born is something you believe to be true by law of physics or probability. For example, you look at a white wall and say "I know that wall is white because I've observed it to be so"... but how do you REALLY know that wall is white? You don't... it just seems to hold true in your world. Perhaps to Joe Shmoe down the street it is the color you call purple... but he refers to it as white... etc. So, knowing this point, doesn't that make everything in our universe up for question? In my opinion beliefs and knowledge are one and the same. Is it really possible to differentiate the two?
Anyone have an opinion on this subject?

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picking nits

Organizizer — Sat, 29 May 2004 22:55:54 GMT

I was a confimed Apatheist before I knew the word.
Thank you Lindsay, for creating this tribe!

Theres a spot in the descrip, the last paragraph, that sorta bugs me:

"The goal should be learning how to live with each other and promote the advancement of humanity in general. We can do that by relying on ourselves instead of some mystical external force and not wasting time and energy arguing about whether that mystical force really exists. "

I shy away from "should"s. I usualy either state what is or what can be. more positive, less coercive.

I also try to minimise either/ors that may pit me against someone with whom I have no quarrel.
not all mysticism denies individual responsibility and initiative.
I might say something like, ".. we dont need to look to an external force - our internal compass can tell us what we need to know. Does a mystical external force really exist? its virtually unprovable either way, and my knowledge won't change the outcome, so why waste time and energy arguing about it?

are these differences worth bothering with?

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Wishing For A Higher Power

Euphoria — Thu, 20 May 2004 06:22:25 GMT

Although I still don't particularly care whether or not there is a God or gods, I have been through an absolutely gut wrenching couple of weeks, especially during the last 24 hours when I thought my very sweet cat, whom I've shared so much with and had one of the longest relationships of my life with, was on death's door.

I found myself praying to anyone who might possibly be listening and could help to get my boy through this and have him come out better on the other side of this crisis.

This has made me wonder how many of you believe that some sort of guardian angel, higher power or just the power of the universe may be able to answer your prayers and if you pray and when you're in need and give thanks when your prayers have been answered?

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Thanks!

Lindsay — Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:53:22 GMT

I just wanted to thank all of you who have joined and posted on this tribe. I started it out of curiousity to see if there were any other people who felt about religion as I did other than the few like-minded friends I've met over the years.

It is so nice to know that there ARE others out there... and I'm amazed how many people have joined so far. As of this post we have 124 members. Considering that I have never advertised this tribe or trolled with invitations, and considering how many people are on Tribe.net in general, that number astounds me.

And it's been a lot of fun reading the posts, and interesting that there's been so much to talk about!!

So thanks again, everyone!! ;)

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Im really an apatheist!

Evan — Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:23:24 GMT

I came across this tribe tonight and read the intro and everything and i really dig apateism. Ive been an atheist for years but i think apatheist is really a better word for it. Thanx... oh i also joined so hey everyone.
-Evan

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Apatheist Social Survival

Lindsay — Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:46:22 GMT

Prefacing this by saying that I'm the kind of person who doesn't believe in evangelism... To each his own, you can believe how you believe as long as you don't try to push your beliefs on me (though I'm always up for a non-pushy debate).

So anyway, I frequently find myself in situations where I have to figure out how to act without creating lots of tension about not being religious, especially when at work (as a consultant, I have to be particularly polite and accommodating). Just curious about how those of you who are concerned with trying not to make a scene deal with these situations too.

For example: When someone sneezes, there are usually several people within earshot that say "Bless you." so it's not a problem, but when there's just me and one other person I feel really awkward not saying anything if the other person sneezes. And am at a loss when they say "Bless you" to me when I sneeze.

Also when people insist on saying the blessing before a meal (this is more of a family thing, such as at Thanksgiving), or a prayer before a sporting event (like my kid's little league games).

I know some of you will be tempted to say that the world should be more considerate of a-religious people, but in reality, that's just not the way it is... I was just looking for some constructive advice on how to avoid the tension that usually comes with these situations instead of a lot of bemoaning our plight.

So all of you who have figured out creative ways to deal with stuff like this please post!

Thanks!

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Apatheistic Intelligence

denmarkguy — Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:36:36 GMT

This may be "old news" around here, but...

Something I've noticed over the years-- and now from finding this tribe-- is that people who answer the question "Do you believe in God? with "Does it matter?" generally tend to be of above average (or even MUCH above average) intelligence.

Which sortov begs the question "Does it *require* a certain level of intelligence to be an Apatheist?"

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Apathy of the Christ

To_Hume_It — Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:30:03 GMT

well, I went ahead and saw PASSION OF THE CHRIST, which was strangely pathetic for an apathetic apatheist to do, perhaps it was because I used to be a pathetic theist, who knows?

I kind of expected to have some kind of a visceral reaction since several years' synaptic connections were strongly conditioned between Christ and emotion. But, alas, I can say that my intellectual belief that the whole story of the Christ being a fiction really did prevent my mind from automatically causing me to cry, etc.

It was a test and I don't know if I passed, but whether I did or did not is not the point. Sure, one might ask why one would take a test knowing there was no point in its being passed or failed, but that's the crazy mixed up world in which we live.

Anyone else see it?

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A mildly apathetic intro

denmarkguy — Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:54:53 GMT

I don't habitually "introduce" myself to online groups, but this seems like a strange watershed moment that compels me to write a few words....

I guess I have been guilty of sheer intellectual arrogance in thinking that I had to be "alone in the world" in simply not *caring* whether there is "God" or "not-God." Of course, I handily assign some of the blame for my soliptic thoughts on my environment, having lived for some 20-odd years in the Texas Bible Belt. Heck, I'm only 90 miles from Waco, and I live in what the 7 liberals of the area refer to as Williamson-by-God County. The people who owned the house before us conducted Baptisms in the creek at the bottom of the yard. Uh-huh.

I never knew there was a "name" for this. In a sense, it makes me a little nervous-- and I almost didn't join the tribe, because of it-- since, after 43 years of life, it would imply that I have suddenly become an "-ist." I suppose I should just shut up and take solace in the fact that I have finaly proved myself human, by succumbing to one of the most *basic* drives: The desire to feel some kind "connection" with other humans.

I was first called a "soulless" and "intellectually lazy" individual around age 11, by an uncle who had taken me to church. He asked me "Can't you FEEL the presence of God?" With the innocence of a slightly smart-alecky pre-teen, I replied "No, the only thing I can feel is the presence of mildew."

Maybe you have found better solutions than I, but I have always struggled with *explaining* myself, when a social setting pressures me to do so. Well, not "always," but at least since I moved to Texas, where "Church Chat" is a common component of daily conversation. Short of a 40-page dissertation.... explaining that I am NOT religious, yet NOT an Agnostic, and NOT an Atheist always feels like hard and tedious work. Ultimately, it's just that I don't feel a compulsion to have "other-referenced justification" for my actions-- be they rooted in belief, or non-belief. Frankly, I am grateful to Atheists and Religionists alike, for they all give me "bits" of useful information that contributes to my own "life philosophy." I am am even grateful to the "Religid" for teaching me the value (and pitfalls) of blind singlemindedness.

Reading between the lines, it isn't so much the "lack of _____" that bothers people, but rather the fact that what I tell them leaves them "uncomfortably fumbling" for a suitable pigeonhole in which to categorize and "file" me. And it makes *me* feel somewhat uncomfortable that I am making others uncomfortable. Does anyone else relate to that?

Well, MORE than enough said....

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I have seen the light...I guess

Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:27:08 GMT

So, it just dawned on me. I finally dont care if there is a god.

I used to think that there was, first because I was raised that way, then because I wanted there to be one.

Then I figured there probably is a god, just one that doesn't care about us, at least not on a direct personal level.

Next I thought that there wasn't a god becasue it didn't make any sense.

Finally this morning, (really not 10 mins ago) I just stopped caring.

If there is any sort of afterlife, I'll find out sooner or later, and if there isn't I'll never know... so why bother caring about it one way or the other.

Anyway, thats my morning revalation.

R

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Aaltuit Web Site

Linda — Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:49:15 GMT

Hi everyone,

I'm new to Tribe.Net

Have any of you visited:

http://aaltuit.uniqon.com ?

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New Member Says 'Hi'

Keith — Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:32:04 GMT

Greetings, fellow "I don't give a rat" people. :-)

Truth be told, I almost didn't join, because it was painful for me to think about how little I think about the topic of religion. But I read several recent posts and decided that I could hang out here for a while and will probably enjoy the company.

In time (and perhaps, to a large extent, based on my experiences here) I'll decide whether or not I'll choose to embrace the word "Apatheist" to describe myself. I have tended to use the word "agnostic" in the past.

Ironically, one of my hesitations is the fact that I think people are generally more familiar with agnosticism than they are with apatheism -- and I fear having to explain it over and over while maintaining upright and conscious!

This is in stark contrast to my sentiments on being childfree ( childfreebychoice.tribe.net ), a subject about which I often engage people in what I hope is thought-provoking discussion. Consider that a shameless plug to those of you who may also be childfree!

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Thank God that God is irrelevant

To_Hume_It — Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:43:17 GMT

I am happy to find this group, as I often find myself very apathetic to the whole notion of religion. I get worried when religion influences political systems. So, I have not attained 100% apathy with God-related questions. But I am working on it.

"Because I'm all good enough, all knowledgeable enough, and doggone it, people fear me!" - Jesus Smiley

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Oh, Who Cares?

Euphoria — Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:29:03 GMT

This is apathy? You people seem far to concerned about stuff to consider yourselves apathetic.

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hello every1

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:25:15 GMT

www.antireligion.com

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is god a human being?

kage — Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:23:01 GMT

the thing that really blows my mind about god is that he's supposed to be a human being, or at least to have the thoughts, feelings, emotions, aspirations, etc. of a human being.

we were created in his image, and thank god his image is the kind that likes the sound of running water (because stagnant water harbors parasites), finds babies particularly adorable and not good for eating, gets jealous and violent when someone is interfering with the successful spreading of his genes - in short, thank god that his image makes for a successful organism here on planet earth! otherwise we'd have a tough time competing with those other non-god organisms.

on the flip side, it's pretty tough that god suffers from bouts of low self-esteem, gets freaked out by the scarcity of resources, needs lots of attention. those traits can be handy for old homo sapiens, but for god they seem like dead weight.

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Hello people - new guy here

Ulysses — Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:33:14 GMT

I am new to this tribe thing and joined this as it seems a novel idea to have friends. I was very excited to find this group on Apatheists . I have been telling people around that nowadays it is so wierd that religions are becoming more important the belief in god itself and thus are eventually defeating the very purpose of those religions themselves. well ...... in anycase, I am looking to make some good decent friends with similar outlooks and also exchange ideas and thoughts. Cheers !

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hi everyone, feeling spiritual today?

crimsonrosa — Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:09:34 GMT

Just thought I'd say hi to everyone, yes I've just joined tribes, I suppose another disgusted friendster user.
So I haven't felt the need for spirituality pretty much all my life, with a few case exceptions. What are your thoughts on the concurrent existance in spirituality (by that I mean mostly a deeper connection with oneself and other life) and apathism?

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Moral Relativism

pxg — Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:29:22 GMT

Here's something that I've been thinking about lately. I have a friend who loves to argue about various topics, which is great... However, he can also be counted on to take the most ridiculous side of any argument and the one that is farthest from societal norms as possible. One of his favorite concepts for winning arguments is moral relativism. (Please correct me if I have any of this wrong.) ie, the idea that what is morally correct to one person may not be morally correct to another or said another way. Another way that this comes out is talking about if something is right or wrong. For example, (in my opinion) I dont have any problem with the concept of using force to protect yourself and your family, but I'm not comfortable with using force in every situation. "Where do you draw the line?" is the constant question. Another example might be the starving man and the loaf of bread on the window sill. Is it morally justifiable for him to steal it?

One of the values of a religious system is that there is a clear set of rules to live by (even if people often ignore them.)

I guess my question, if I have one, is, in a world of moral relativism, how do we come up with a set of non-abitrary rules to govern behaviour? It's not really my behaviour that I am worried about, since I think I have a good idea of my own limits... However, some of you might not be happy with those rules.

Just a thought...

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Welcome!

Lindsay — Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:47:57 GMT

I'm not sure how much there will be to discuss in this tribe since the nature of it is to be non-dogmatic, but if you've got something to say, feel free to say it!

Also if you're wondering how to pronounce Apatheist, you can emphasize the apathy by saying Apa-theist, or you could be a little more obsure by pronouncing it A-pay-theist. That might get you through some conversations with pushy people who insist on labling you with a religion and they might just let it pass. But probably not ;).

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Apathy Cheer

Terry — Mon, 01 Sep 2003 02:51:04 GMT

Apathy! Apathy! Ra Ra Ra! Apathy Apathy....

ahhh...

ummm...

whatever

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religion

mike — Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:01:23 GMT

I'm so sick of "holidays". Does the tiger in the jungle stop and say, oh, shit, I must celebrate today because it is a "holiday"? No, only humans are so foolish. I wish the world would move toward a place in which there were no holidays, no judgments of gender, or skin color, or sexuality, or what type of clothing you wear (clothing discrimination exists!), etc. Sorry, that's my venting for today.

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Bill and Ted's Excellent Philosophy

Lindsay — Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:35:10 GMT

I was watching Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure with my son this weekend, and forgot how much I really enjoyed this movie when it came out way back 15 years ago.
I was struck by what a great philosophy it promotes:
Be Excellent to each other; and Party On, Dude!
If only people of the world could live by those rules, what a great place it would be to live in. No god required, either. ;)

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Plug'n'pray

assfluff — Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:22:24 GMT

Do you need to change religion to grab the chance for a career outlook? Are you going to work abroad? Getting a new customized god is easy with Plug'n'Pray. A new spirituality and a new respectability can be yours at a mouse click.

http://www.plug-pray.org/ENG/Home.html

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TCGWMND

Nick — Sat, 20 Sep 2003 04:16:40 GMT

Welcome to... The Church of the God Who Makes No Difference

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U.G. & Jiddu Krishnamurti

Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:39:34 GMT

Do y'all consider these guys apatheists? They seem to be. What are your thoughts on this, if any?

- andré

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rambling about religious drivel

jazztrombone — Sat, 06 Sep 2003 09:27:41 GMT

i grew up with a very religious background. i was always told that god was a loving and just god who could read the hearts of every person past and present. so, when the great day of armageddon comes, he will read our hearts and judge us by our works. also, god is very powerful and almighty; there is no one higher than him (psalms 83:18). i mean, the guy created this whole thing we call existence and the universe, apparently.

my first question is why does he need us lowly human beings to dedicate our lives in worshiping him and bowing down to him day and night? is he THAT vain that he will destroy us unless we do otherwise? unless we follow his every, albeit cryptic whim, we will vanish from existence, or, according to some religions, burn in purgatory forever and ever. that doesn't sound so loving and understanding to me. just to further my point: so, let's say someone like me is confused about all the different religious possibilities, so i hop around from religion to religion trying to figure out which one is right. before i can study each one and then compare them all to what i have learned, armageddon comes and god sees that i haven't done shit, because i never found the right religion. so, i burn in hell because of it. that's pretty fucked up. god says, "well, it's nice that you tried to find the right religion; you're a good person, henry, but sorry...game's over!" again...fucked up.

what kind of almighty being has a superiority complex about something he created (the devil) who challenges his authority as god and ruler of the universe? what kind of loving and just god gets mad at how something HE created acts? i mean, he made us the way we are, apparently. so, in reality, he made us with all our flaws. uber-religious people would contest otherwise, but it's true. people want to give all the credit to god for all the awesome things mankind can do, but when it comes to man's downfalls, it's all satan's doing. how convenient. what kind of god gets mad at us for something that he himself setup for us?

maybe god does exist, but i think the bible is a load of shit. it's way too ambiguous. anyhow, i'm done rambling now. feel free to fling shit at what i just said and questioned. thanks for reading.

-henry

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